Bellamy and Rydra are once again joined by anarcho-primitivist thinker John Zerzan, author of Elements of Refusal, Future Primitive, and other seminal anti-civ texts and former editor of Green Anarchy.

In this interview, we discuss smartphones and Google Glass, the idea of the Noble Savage, the epistemological issues surrounding anthropology, catastrophist/collapsist thinking, medical technology, and other topics.

John e-mailed us an addendum to his words on catastrophism/collapsism, which reads, "[I] didn't mean to say that I don't think collapse is [likely]. I think it IS likely, just that I don't think we should rely on collapse as the solution or a substitute for our own agency."

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